Conversations with tyler cohen1/1/2024 ![]() What was he thinking? How did his views develop? Did his modest rural upbringing contribute, as I think mine did, to his being a fighter who won’t take crap from people? Inquiring minds would like to know. He read Ayn Rand at an early age, as did I. I think a lot of people are interested in those stories. I have 12 years on him and so with all the economic growth in those 12 years, his family’s income was likely higher than my family’s. Admittedly one of my reasons is that my upbringing was similar: in a modest-income family in rural Manitoba. I always find stories of such people fascinating. His parents were almost certainly modest income. Here’s a guy, Peterson, who grew up in rural Alberta. ![]() Now to what I wish Tyler had asked about. But then, I also don’t buy the argument that throughout history, men have, what would you say? Singularly oppressed women? I think that’s absolute bloody nonsense. I think that hasn’t really been true for probably, well, at least 10 years. I don’t think there is a great deal of unjust discrimination against women in comparison to the degree of unjust discrimination against men. But the collectivist ethos is very, very attractive to people, so you have to be very careful of it.ĬOWEN: Let’s say one is of the view that men and women are intrinsically different on average, but one still recognizes there’s a great deal of unjust discrimination against women. ![]() You don’t just pull that in and signal to society that you’re now acting virtuously without bringing in the whole pathological ideology.Īnd look out when you do, because it’s like, there are elements of it that are extraordinarily old, and that would be the resentful element in terms of patterns of thinking. The doctrines that are driving hiring decisions, for example - any emphasis, for example, on equity, or equality of outcome - it’s unbelievably dangerous. And that’s happening at a very rapid rate. And people who take to themselves the right to determine the propriety of ethical conduct end up with a lot more power - especially if you cede it to them - than you think. PETERSON: Yeah, well, all of a sudden now, they’ve become ethics departments. PETERSON: I would caution them not to underestimate the danger of their human resources departments. On what modern corporate managers don’t get:ĬOWEN: If we turn to senior management of large American companies, as a class of people - and I know it’s hard to generalize - but what do you see them as just not getting? And that’s exactly what’s happening on the campuses. If you’re aiming at something and you’re moving rapidly towards it, you’re likely to hit it. So when you insist that the right way to view the world is victim versus victimizer, and then you coddle people into exaggeration of their own negative, emotion-centered pathology, you’re going to ensure that the political structure becomes more and more neurotic. Those are the two most important elements of any psychotherapeutic process. It’s the bedrock of virtually every therapeutic system - that and getting your story straight, let’s say. Then you design techniques to help them voluntarily confront that and learn how to withstand it or to cope with it. They do absolutely everything wrong from a psychological perspective because the fundamental rule - if you’re a psychologist who’s interested in increasing resilience - is that you help people identify what they’re afraid of and what they would like to avoid that’s standing in the way of their movement forward. ![]() After that, I’ll say what I wish Tyler had asked about. Economist Tyler Cowen recently interviewed Canadian psychologist Jordan Peterson.
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